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	<title>Comments on: Notes from a Humble Reader</title>
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		<title>By: Uppity</title>
		<link>http://www.uppityrib.com/archives/1154#comment-27731</link>
		<dc:creator>Uppity</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Oct 2009 13:47:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bayushi, I will check out Hyperion post-haste. And thank you for the Nano well-wishes ... T-minus 72 hours!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bayushi, I will check out Hyperion post-haste. And thank you for the Nano well-wishes &#8230; T-minus 72 hours!</p>
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		<title>By: Uppity</title>
		<link>http://www.uppityrib.com/archives/1154#comment-27730</link>
		<dc:creator>Uppity</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Oct 2009 13:45:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Pogo, your comments highlighted how tricky it is to nail down what makes a good book (for me). It was a difficult post to write - as soon as I think I have a rule, I find an exception. (Especially the hopeful ending thing; that's super-nebulous.) Anyway, trying to say thanks for the comments because they make me think, which is rarely a bad thing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Pogo, your comments highlighted how tricky it is to nail down what makes a good book (for me). It was a difficult post to write - as soon as I think I have a rule, I find an exception. (Especially the hopeful ending thing; that&#8217;s super-nebulous.) Anyway, trying to say thanks for the comments because they make me think, which is rarely a bad thing.</p>
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		<title>By: bayushi</title>
		<link>http://www.uppityrib.com/archives/1154#comment-27728</link>
		<dc:creator>bayushi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Oct 2009 11:18:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Shadow of the Wind and Neverwhere were 2 of my favorite books ever. If you want something that is epic and a mish mash of genres, check out Hyperion by Dan Simmons. It has echoes of the Canterbury Tales mixed with scifi and horror. It is superb! Good luck with NANO!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Shadow of the Wind and Neverwhere were 2 of my favorite books ever. If you want something that is epic and a mish mash of genres, check out Hyperion by Dan Simmons. It has echoes of the Canterbury Tales mixed with scifi and horror. It is superb! Good luck with NANO!</p>
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		<title>By: Pogonip</title>
		<link>http://www.uppityrib.com/archives/1154#comment-27726</link>
		<dc:creator>Pogonip</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Oct 2009 09:15:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My taste is not required for everyone.  ;-)  Many people like other kinds of reading material, and I have no objection to that.  I just want to have lots of good stuff available to me.  I am willing to be greedy.  

So there is room for the self-obsessed omphaloskeptic, just don't expect me to read their output.  There is room for those who write to impress other writers.  I'll take a pass there, too, but would never stand in their way.  

I would rather read a well-crafted short story than a novel that wanders aimlessly in search of an ending.  But I prefer novels in general.  

Ah, yes, good triumphs over evil, love conquers all, and it ain't over 'til the fat lady sings.  ;-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My taste is not required for everyone.  <img src='http://www.uppityrib.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' />  Many people like other kinds of reading material, and I have no objection to that.  I just want to have lots of good stuff available to me.  I am willing to be greedy.  </p>
<p>So there is room for the self-obsessed omphaloskeptic, just don&#8217;t expect me to read their output.  There is room for those who write to impress other writers.  I&#8217;ll take a pass there, too, but would never stand in their way.  </p>
<p>I would rather read a well-crafted short story than a novel that wanders aimlessly in search of an ending.  But I prefer novels in general.  </p>
<p>Ah, yes, good triumphs over evil, love conquers all, and it ain&#8217;t over &#8217;til the fat lady sings.  <img src='http://www.uppityrib.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' /></p>
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		<title>By: Uppity</title>
		<link>http://www.uppityrib.com/archives/1154#comment-27716</link>
		<dc:creator>Uppity</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Oct 2009 19:38:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh, and one more thing: in pondering this further, I believe I misspoke about hopeful endings being about learning something. In Lonely Werewolf Girl, Kalix doesn't learn much except that her sister is sleeping with her man. ;) But it's a hopeful ending in that though things didn't turn out perfectly for our heroes, the villains are thwarted for the time being. "Good triumphs over evil" - I'd say that's a hopeful thing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh, and one more thing: in pondering this further, I believe I misspoke about hopeful endings being about learning something. In Lonely Werewolf Girl, Kalix doesn&#8217;t learn much except that her sister is sleeping with her man. <img src='http://www.uppityrib.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> But it&#8217;s a hopeful ending in that though things didn&#8217;t turn out perfectly for our heroes, the villains are thwarted for the time being. &#8220;Good triumphs over evil&#8221; - I&#8217;d say that&#8217;s a hopeful thing.</p>
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		<title>By: Uppity</title>
		<link>http://www.uppityrib.com/archives/1154#comment-27715</link>
		<dc:creator>Uppity</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Oct 2009 19:20:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jo, you will notice that though I haven't read a lot of genre that I like, none of the books noted as faves are going to win prizes for "literariness."  :) I find a lot of literary fiction is not only pretentious but tres dull. I want to be in the protagonist's head -- but only if she's interesting. Like you, I have no desire to read a meticulous dissection of someone's angst-fraught relationship with their uncle-or-what-have-you. So my main criticism of the genre books I've read have been their lack of originality, and by that I mean mostly in their characters. It's so often the same ass-kicking snark-talking twenty-something ghost hunter/vampire slayer/bounty hunter, etc. every time.  I guess that's what made Shakespear such a masterful storyteller: he knew how to create vivid interesting characters and tell a whomping good yarn at the same time.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jo, you will notice that though I haven&#8217;t read a lot of genre that I like, none of the books noted as faves are going to win prizes for &#8220;literariness.&#8221;  <img src='http://www.uppityrib.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> I find a lot of literary fiction is not only pretentious but tres dull. I want to be in the protagonist&#8217;s head &#8212; but only if she&#8217;s interesting. Like you, I have no desire to read a meticulous dissection of someone&#8217;s angst-fraught relationship with their uncle-or-what-have-you. So my main criticism of the genre books I&#8217;ve read have been their lack of originality, and by that I mean mostly in their characters. It&#8217;s so often the same ass-kicking snark-talking twenty-something ghost hunter/vampire slayer/bounty hunter, etc. every time.  I guess that&#8217;s what made Shakespear such a masterful storyteller: he knew how to create vivid interesting characters and tell a whomping good yarn at the same time.</p>
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		<title>By: Pogonip</title>
		<link>http://www.uppityrib.com/archives/1154#comment-27714</link>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Oct 2009 17:44:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I, too, am a reader.  I read to be engaged and entertained.  I do not read to share some writer's angst.  I do not admire the self-consciously crafted sentence which verges on poetry.  If a writer wants to write poetry, then he should write poetry, not poetry disguised as prose.  I do not read to "learn" or to be convinced of someone's opinion or view of some major or minor issue.  

I want a story.  A novel should include a beginning, a middle, and an end.  When I close the last page, I want to feel that the events have reached a conclusion, and yes, I want events, not thoughts or ideas.  

I like genre.  I think most authors need some structure.  "Literary" is a genre.  It's just not one I wish to waste my time reading.  If a writer wishes to "find himself" or "get in touch with his inner child" I do not wish to go along for the ride.  I have no interest in his navel.

Shakespeare did not write to show how well he could write.  He wrote to sell plays and poems that people would buy because they were entertaining.  Dickens, the same.  Most of the writers now viewed as masters wrote to sell.  It seems to have worked out well for them.  It's certainly worked out well for us who read.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I, too, am a reader.  I read to be engaged and entertained.  I do not read to share some writer&#8217;s angst.  I do not admire the self-consciously crafted sentence which verges on poetry.  If a writer wants to write poetry, then he should write poetry, not poetry disguised as prose.  I do not read to &#8220;learn&#8221; or to be convinced of someone&#8217;s opinion or view of some major or minor issue.  </p>
<p>I want a story.  A novel should include a beginning, a middle, and an end.  When I close the last page, I want to feel that the events have reached a conclusion, and yes, I want events, not thoughts or ideas.  </p>
<p>I like genre.  I think most authors need some structure.  &#8220;Literary&#8221; is a genre.  It&#8217;s just not one I wish to waste my time reading.  If a writer wishes to &#8220;find himself&#8221; or &#8220;get in touch with his inner child&#8221; I do not wish to go along for the ride.  I have no interest in his navel.</p>
<p>Shakespeare did not write to show how well he could write.  He wrote to sell plays and poems that people would buy because they were entertaining.  Dickens, the same.  Most of the writers now viewed as masters wrote to sell.  It seems to have worked out well for them.  It&#8217;s certainly worked out well for us who read.</p>
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